Rather Listen than Read? Podcast Recommendations from Top Virginia Executives
We know that leaders are readers, but increasingly, leaders are listeners! We asked for podcast recommendations from the VACEOs community. Comment and share your favorites.
P.D. Love, president of CRC, shared a bunch.
- For industry info (FinTech, general technology) I listen to The WealthStack Podcast, In Depth, WealthTech On Deck, and Masters of Scale
- Health and Fitness include Huberman Lab, The Drive (Peter Attia), The Human Upgrade (Dave Asprey), and Tim Ferriss Show (with some great interviews as well)
- Good interviews (when I see a guest I like) from Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman.
- Business/Motivation topics The School of Greatness (Lewis Howes), Business Wars and The Kevin Rose Show
These keep my commute, walking and other listening time full. Haven’t needed the radio in years!!
I love This American Life. It’s exceptional and very eclectic. Funny, touching, educational, inspiring, and always interesting, it’s a roll of the dice!
Bryant Harrison, Seventh Wall
I listen to a lot of podcasts but here are the 5 I rarely miss. – Robin Green, Sandler
- All In — Four Silicon Valley buddies who rif, argue, and cover big topics in tech and politics.
- No Laying Up – all that is happening in the world of golf. A group of college buddies who have irreverent takes on the golf world.
- History That Doesn’t Suck – history made interesting.
- The Learning Leader – interesting topics from authors and thought-leaders.
- Acquired – Deep dive stories of industry titans. These are like books – but fascinating backstories on top companies.
I never miss an episode of The 21 Hats Podcast. Loren Feldman, whose business journalism experience includes Inc.com, New York Times, and Forbes, convenes a panel of small business owners for frank discussion and experience sharing on a question or topic. It’s almost like a public CEO Roundtable. Loren also curates a daily newsletter and some events. He’s worth following.
Scot McRoberts, VA Council of CEOs
Key Causes of Explosive Employee Exits
A Panel Discussion in Charlottesville
An an unexpectedly stormy afternoon in Charlottesville, VACEO members, sponsors, and guests gathered for a panel discussion about Explosive Exits. We had a great conversation about the topic with lots of input from a very engaged audience. A handful of them shared examples of some very explosive exits…, so the topic was clearly one that needed discussing.
The panel consisted of Karen Elliott, Rob Jones, and myself, Clay Eure. We were led by John Woodell who graciously agreed to wrangle our panel of experts. He led us through a discussion around three main areas of explosive employee exits: Causes, Impacts, and Mitigation.
Accountability and Communication
In discussing the most common causes of explosive exits, it became clear that it often comes back to a lack of accountability within the relationship. If managers are not direct and clear with their employees about how they are performing against the standards expected, employees will be surprised by any disciplinary action. And as Karen mentioned, that is when employees are more likely to become litigious because they feel that the process wasn’t fair. Being upfront and honest about employee performance can go a long way towards avoiding explosive exits. It’s true what they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
The Impact of Explosive Exits on Workflow and Morale
When thinking about impacts, the most obvious one is the impact on the work itself. Whether that employee was a superstar or a slacker, someone else is going to have to pick up the work they left behind. We make sure that each of our clients document every role at their company and that everyone has a clear understanding of who is doing what. That way there is as little disruption to workflow as possible when someone leaves. It’s also important to note that there will be an impact on morale. Sometimes that’s positive and sometimes it’s negative. If it was a real jerk that left, chances are people will be cheering their departure (even if you thought your company would never survive without them…). If it was someone who was more well-liked, you’ll need to take time to help people process the change. Give everyone a chance to talk about the impact on them so that they can voice their feelings in a constructive way.
Mitigating the Effects of Explosive Exits: Strategies for Success
And finally, what to do about mitigating the impact of these explosive exits. Rob wanted to ensure that everyone has a plan for how to handle the messaging of an employee departure. Both internally and externally. Companies should know what is and, perhaps more importantly, what is not going to be shared. And as much as possible, they should remove access to all official company communication and social media channels. Another great way to mitigate the impacts of an explosive exit is to have succession planning in place. This helps ensure that there is always someone ready to step into a role.
Essential Takeaways: Managing People and Planning for Exits
If you’re more into bullet points, I’ve highlighted some key take aways from the discussion here:
- Understanding and managing people is crucial for sustainable business growth.
- By the time a performance improvement plan is implemented, the relationship between the manager and the employee is often beyond repair.
- Allowing one person to hold too much control over client relationships can be risky for the organization.
- The perception of fairness in HR processes is crucial to avoid legal issues and maintain employee trust.
- The legal landscape for non-compete agreements is uncertain, and companies need to be prepared for rapid changes.
- Proper documentation and a clear process can help in defending against wrongful termination claims.
But the most important thing to remember when thinking about explosive exits is that if you treat people well, they’ll treat you well. A lot of heartache can be avoided if you treat your employees like human beings. Build relationships with them, get to know them as individuals, and show them that you truly care. I’ll leave you with a quote that Karen shared:
“People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
– Maya Angelou
Clay Eure is a director, coach, and facilitator at Eure Consulting dedicated to client success and has been involved with the VACEOs community since 2020. Eure Consulting is a sponsor of VACEOs and co-hosted this Hot Topic Discussion Panel.
Beware The “Group Ask”
The Pitfalls of Group Emails
Cops have a lot to teach us when it comes to asking for help. The next time you’re at a traffic intersection directed by a police officer, you’ll see what I mean. If they want you to do something, they point at you while making eye contact; oftentimes resulting in feelings of mild discomfort from being singled out. There’s no doubt about what you’re supposed to do and who the communication is directed at. Meanwhile in the civilian world, we send each other group emails asking for volunteers, requesting editorial input, approvals and other vague communications supposedly aimed at getting multiple people rowing in the same direction. These group ask emails are usually harbingers of screwups, disappointment and passive aggressive blame assignments around why something didn’t happen the way it was supposed to.
Transforming Customer Service: From Group Ask to CRM Integration
Consider the following group ask example in your business: Where does your sales@mybusiness.com address go? Whether it’s going to a single person or multiple folks on the same team, if you don’t have a clear system about who has the ball, you run the risk of dropping balls left & right. Our service@getlivewire.com address dumps into our customer relationship management (CRM) system where there’s a process detailing who’s responsible for claiming the inbound requests 24/7. Before we had this system, customer service was a nightmare. Unhappy customers & employees meant we needed a drastic change from our previous group ask workflow.
Fast forward to today and I still see people I work with group asking. I know they mean well, but as the old proverb says; “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” If we’re not willing to point at someone the way the crossing guard does or don’t have a system for groups of people to effectively farm group ask repositories, we’re setting ourselves up for disaster.
Confrontation Avoidance and Its Consequences
Why do we group ask to begin with? Some of us understand the perils innately and we’re not happy until someone acknowledges the ball we handed off. Some of us need more prescription around these behaviors. To some extent, asking a person directly for something is a form of confrontation or conflict (remember how it felt when Officer Krupke pointed at you during carpool?) Many of us are conflict or confrontation averse. We’re all different and that’s OK. What isn’t different, however, is our clients’ expectations that we respond to inbound issues quickly & efficiently. They don’t care about excuses and will happily move on to your competitor across town.
Actionable Steps to Eliminate Group Asking in Your Organization
Consider the following easy next steps to stamp out group asking in your organization:
- Insist that group emails with requests are directed at a specific person and the requester not move on until acknowledgement has been received that the other person has the ball.
- Connect all your publicly available inbound email addresses to your company (such as sales@mybusiness.com or service@mybusiness.com) to a CRM solution such as Salesforce or Zoho so you can track all pending requests.
- Call out and coach any group asking behaviors you see in the organization privately (vs. throwing shade via reply all) so the group asker can learn and change their ways.
Do you have any group asking going on in your world? What will you do to stop it?
Henry Clifford is the founder and CEO of Livewire and has been an enthusiastic member of VACEOs since 2008. He also serves on the VACEOs Board of Directors as Vice Chair.
How to Handle Tough Workplace Conversations
Communication is a necessity. Addressing performance issues within your team, negotiating with clients, and resolving conflicts – all of these aspects of your business require specific and sometimes delicate conversations. Sensitive conversations can become emotional, which is why business leaders must master the art of navigating them to foster a workplace culture of collaboration and respect. If we avoid having these types of conversations, we risk costly misunderstandings, strained relationships, and missed opportunities.
Knowing how to manage these personal exchanges is the key to ensuring everyone walks away feeling heard. Kerry Patterson, co-author of Crucial Conversations, says, “They are make-or-break moments that can either propel us toward the kind of life we want to live or send us down a path we don’t want to go.” Here are essential steps to take when preparing for a hard conversation.
Preparing for a Hard Conversation
Step 1: Set the Stage Mentally
Before initiating the conversation, find an appropriate time to have the conversation and know your objectives. What would be a win? Reflect on your assumptions, emotional triggers, and the other person’s perspective. Understanding both sides of the situation is crucial for a constructive dialogue.
Step 2: Manage your Emotional State
Maintain composure throughout the conversation. Positive energy and body language can significantly influence the path of the dialogue—emote positivity with a warm smile, open body language, and eye contact. Remember to breathe and stay focused on your purpose, which will help you listen more effectively.
Step 3: Approach with Curiosity
Adopt an attitude of curiosity. Before you make your point, actively listen to the other person without interruption. Strive to understand their needs, desires, and concerns thoroughly — ask clarifying questions.
Step 4: Acknowledge and Validate
Be an active listener by nodding occasionally and demonstrate empathy by acknowledging the other person’s position. Validate their feelings and concerns to communicate respect. Taking ownership of your role in the situation helps build trust and move the conversation forward.
Step 5: Clarify Your Perspective
Once the other person has expressed their viewpoint, articulate your own without diminishing theirs. Offer clarifications and insights while respecting their opinions. Emphasize the desire to find common ground.
Step 6: Collaborative Problem-Solving
Transition into problem-solving mode by brainstorming solutions together. Encourage dialogue, ask probing questions, and build on each other’s ideas. Focus on finding sustainable resolutions that benefit all parties involved. If necessary, agree to take a break and resume the conversation once both parties have had time to collect their thoughts.
Additional Tips:
- Stay Focused on Purpose: Revisit your objectives if the conversation seems to veer off track.
- Don’t Take It Personally: Remain objective and avoid internalizing verbal attacks or disagreements.
- Respect Different Perspectives: Understand that individuals may not share your viewpoint, so approach discussions with an open mind.
- Use Conversation Openers: Thoughtfully prepare your opening comments to initiate discussions respectfully and purposefully.
- Remove Distractions: Avoid having screens on during the conversation; put your phones away.
By following these steps and tips, you can navigate crucial conversations at work with confidence and achieve positive outcomes that benefit everyone involved. Mastering these skills can create stronger relationships by fostering trust and understanding. Additionally, it demonstrates respect and empathy, which are essential for building a solid foundation in any professional relationship. Moreover, by actively listening, you show that you value the other person’s perspective, which can lead to more meaningful and productive interactions. Thoughtfully approaching and preparing for pivotal workplace conversations is key to fostering a productive and harmonious work environment.
Stephanie Ford is a Director of Warren Whitney and works directly with clients to deliver solutions in the areas of Strategic Planning, Board Governance, Succession Planning, and Facilitation. Stephanie has more than 25 years of diverse client experience and spearheads discussions with company owners and executive management to understand the unique challenges of their business. She explores possibilities for your future and determines the right resource.
What are Virginia CEOs Reading This Summer?
Leaders are readers, and VACEOs members are always talking about the learning they find in books and podcasts. We asked several CEOs, “What are you reading this summer?”
Corey Divine has been loving Find Your Yellow Tux, by Savannah Bananas owner Jesse Cole. Corey was struck that Jesse begins the book with his eulogy and says “If you were to die today, would you be happy with the life you lived and the legacy you left?”
Paul Meadows recommended (alongside the entire EOS library) Process!: How Discipline and Consistency Will Set You and Your Business Free, by Mike Paton and Lisa Gonzalez.
Peter Norman, CEO of Code3AV, is reading two. First, The Oz Principle: Getting Results Through Individual and Organizational Accountability by Hickman, Smith, and Conners. He commented, “Accountability has been one of the most important and most difficult things I’ve tried to master as a leader, but the Oz principle gave me a framework for it that really works – it taught me how to build a culture that focuses on staying above the line.”
And second, Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter, by Liz Wiseman. Peter said, “This book has shown me how my job as a leader is to build up my co-workers, invest in them, and get out of their way – speak less, listen more and ask more questions.”
Robin Green shared several classics that he’s been reading, including The Idiot, by Fyodor Dostoevsky and Tai Pan, by James Clavelle. He also recommended a non-fiction book called The Comfort Crisis by Michael Easter. Robins shares, “In short, our society has turned us into creatures of comfort, and it’s killing us. As a result of this book, I bought a ruck sack and have started carrying around 30 pounds on my back for my evening walks!”
Scot McRoberts read The Art of Gathering by Priya Parker. “As someone who plans a lot of meetings, I know a good meeting, but have never thought about exactly what makes one. This book is a touchstone for that. I especially love her starting point, which is that every gathering must have a clearly defined purpose.”
What are you reading this summer?
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